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Freedom Has A Price by himynameiznate Freedom Has A Price by himynameiznate
It saddens me that those who take this freedom for granted rarely have to pay, and that those who treasure it have to pay the ultimate price.

Hide behind your ideals. The rest of us will fight so that you wont be killed for holding them.

And one last thought:
"people rowing the boat rarely have time to rock it."
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WingDiamond Featured By Owner Jun 9, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
F is for Fightin'
R is for Red
Ancestor's blood in battles was shed

E we Elect 'em
E we Eject 'em
In the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave

D is for Dying
O your Overture
M they will cover your grave with Manure

This Spells Out "FREEDOM" It means Nothing to me
As long as there's a PMRC!
Mike-Chan92 Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
Never make the USA angry, otherwise they will come and bring you "Democracy" and "Freedom" τσ
riddicklax Featured By Owner Jun 16, 2010
[link] do u mind if i yous this on a project im doing on the constitution
CasualtyOfWar Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
As I read the comments below, only one saddens me the most. The one of a "supposed" former Marine. I do not know if he is or isn't, so I'll leave it at that. If he was a Marine then he'd know that people have different ways of supporting us troops. Instead of condeming those that do not understand, he should have shown how to understand it, shown people how to grasp the concept instead of going around and ranting about the people being wrong. I expected more from a Marine, but like every organization there's always "That one".

Your piece is very well done in my opinion. You present your point very well. I hope to see more. Keep it up
Shebshie Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2010
Enjoy our freedom while it lasts kids. Obama is trying every thing he can to take it away.
Supertruck Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2009
Young men Die while old men Talk..God Bless America
Mike-Chan92 Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
In the USA die over 10.000 People by handfire weapons. Innocent children, students, parents. and still they allow everyone to arm with them. God bless America... idiots.
HaloGamesFan Featured By Owner Aug 16, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Would you rather:
Have guns in america: Your affect
Have no guns in america: The fuck!? Where's AMERICA? or Black markets. OR WORST.
Mike-Chan92 Featured By Owner Aug 16, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
I'd rather have no guns in America.
Uh, but the law, but the law, buhuhu. Cry me a river.

This is something, why the world says, america is nuts:
Even if children DIE, because they play with daddies weapon,
America says: "Well, this is fuck you. But we won't make any changes. Because fuck you, that's why!"

The black markets are there.
and worst? or worse?
Who brought up the bombs to freedom for iran/iraq?

HaloGamesFan Featured By Owner Aug 16, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist

bricolage54 Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2009  Hobbyist Photographer
A powerful piece, and a true reflection of the world we live in. You might want to take a look at my piece "Psalter's Flag". My prayer is that there is a way from your flag to mine.

Keep working, Nate. you are a Genius!
Clarivoyance Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2008
Wow,this work is amazing.
You prove quite a point.
clevella Featured By Owner Sep 19, 2008  Professional General Artist
Too bad you don't know how to display your own countrys flag!
Your description says that you are 'fighting for my ideals', so I won't be killed for holding them. Oh really? What kind of b.s. is that? Where are you doing this fighting? The comfort of your computer?

Actually freedom IS free. Freedom can only be taken away, not given. You don't GIVE people freedom. They already have it. Stop acting like you OWN the idea of freedom.
And freedom isn't simply bought with blood. Killing is not the only way to preserve freedom. You actually have to practice freedom, to have it. But what you would you know about it?
You sit around making your cute little flag pictures, when you could instead be serving in the Marines, like I did. (8 years, you're welcome.)
Then, when you pretend that you know what the price of freedom is, you could speak with some authority on the subject, and maybe you would see that your little flag piece is jingoistic propoganda. But hey, free speech! I mean I actually DID serve so that you could have all the benefits of being a U.S. citizen. I didn't serve so that you could wrap yourself in the flag and look down your nose at people for having something that was theirs all along.
And I get that you are happy to be free, but don't try to come off as somebody who worked to make us that way, which what I get from your description.
People who make cute little propoganda pieces rarely have time to enlist...

Semper Fi.
Quicksilver1 Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2010
Your full of shit. The cost of freedom is not paid to option that freedom it is to preserve and the protect it. An as for your last comment. I make them all the time, and I can't, I'm a 4F so don't make assumptions pal. If I wasn't you can bet you ass that I would be there just like every man of my family as far back as is traceable. and trust me I can trace my blood back to Adam himself.

The cost of true freedom is the cost of ignorance, hatred and pride, and the cost is paid in blood and innocence would you rather be it your adversaries of that of you and your children?
clevella Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2010  Professional General Artist
Thanks for the reply. Best laugh I had this week. Maybe all year!
XxAmandaLynnxX Featured By Owner May 23, 2008
Luv the pic, but the flag isn't displayed properly. The Union (blue and stars) is supposed to be on the left when hanging vertically.
Rukiasloveslave Featured By Owner May 5, 2008
we have to pay, we're not free, you think we're free? black people knew they were slaves... you think you're free? Try to break a law that involves hurting no one, then get caught, see how free you are, or try to just livei n your home and noth bother anyone or take or give any money, see how "free" you are to not be deprived of property
cougashika Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2007  Hobbyist General Artist
Unfortunately it takes a moving piece like this to bring out the self-righteous like damnlife, who I will guarantee you would not allow the kind of expression this web site shows if he or his ran things. I know; I was in Germany, for eight years. How much time have you spent in the United States, Kind? And you call us Amis stupid!

Make more, so that others will remember sacrifice!
psi-777666 Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2007
Everyone is compelled to hate Bush and Iraq, but In my eyes - America's soldiers and Iraqi's are human - so is Bush - and Hussein. People seem to forget, because of the position they are in. Also don't forget, others are involved in the plans for Iraq.
Quicksilver1 Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2010
When the orders are unclear the fault lies with the general, if the the orders are clear the fault lies with the soldier- sun tzu
Orofein Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2007   Photographer
While this is a very nice piece of art, I don't ever remember my personal freedom being threatened by terrorist. However, I recall the freedoms of millions being threatened by my very own government.
himynameiznate Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2007  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Really? Can you name one person you personally know whose freedoms have been lost because of governmental actions?

And if you don't remember your personal freedom being threatened by a terrorist, what do you call it when a terrorist organization calls for the destruction of the U.S. and the subjugation of the worlds citizens to Sharia law?
Orofein Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2007   Photographer
Yes, I personally can. My grandfather, for not paying his federal income tax (which should be illegal, look up the movie "America: Freedom to Fascism") and countless others in the same situation. Anyone victim of the patriot act, which singles out by generalizing legitimate US citizens and invading their civil liberties. Also, think about the Abu Ghraib, the detainees were tortured and humiliated. There are also the people who have been taken away to Guantanamo for having distant relatives who associate with terrorist organizations.

I call a terrorist organization that calls for the destruction of the US and control of the world and the citizens completely delusional. That notion, even taking over the united states would be extremely improbable, almost impossible under todays circumstances and technology. I laugh when I hear some terrorists talking about taking over the US or the world, because it just would not happen.

Blind nationalism and patriotism does nothing for this country except pit others against it.
himynameiznate Featured By Owner May 13, 2007  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Sorry, I meant to specify, please tell me if you know anyone personally who has been affected by the government's response to terrorism, namely the patriot act.

Your grandfather not paying his income tax is no surprise.
It's legality may be up for debate, but he can't say he was surprised by it.

Either way, please let me know if anyone in your life has ever actually been affected by the Patriot Act. I truly doubt anyone you know has.
sesshykun Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2006   Photographer
The picture is amazing!
it sends chills through my body.
Whats great about this is that you didnt go into this huge speach thing that alot of people do.
You managed to say exactly what was ment to be said in so few of words! ^o^
This leaves you with one of those feelings that you cant describe and its just wonderful!
(i keep repeating sorry xD;;)
rottel Featured By Owner May 22, 2006
An honest piece of art. Compilated very professionally.
octron5 Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2006
i think this would make a great poster, it brings out the truth about the U.S government, its typical of all american governments to whipe out any threat to their capitalist state, no-matter how much suffering the people of the world suffer.
Mr-out-law Featured By Owner Aug 19, 2005
A battle between evil and evil will last long or never last.

A battle between good and evil will last with the victory of the good side.

then how could we determine who's the good side and who's the bad side if media's picture of the outside world is disrupted ?
what other link to the out side world that we have that is honest ?

American goverment's (people are good) are on a motive of greed for more power and more power and demolish any threat of any kind so selfish actions.

petrolium is what they want from iraq THATS it.

they dont care weather saddam is a criminal if they do care you should have seen what american soldires do to women in iraq they rap them they hurt the weak and you call that helping iraq. well i call it stealing its treaures.
himynameiznate Featured By Owner Aug 19, 2005  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Oh brother.... did the handbook say to write that?

Please, at this point, I would LOVE it if the US actually got some oil from Iraq. Where is all this oil we supposedly went over there to get?

BTW, nice icon. Ever shop at [link] ?
Mr-out-law Featured By Owner Aug 19, 2005
Rape* pardon man english
epiphyte78 Featured By Owner Aug 15, 2005   Photographer
I've been banned twice from DA for fighting for freedom of expression. and I also spent a year in Afghanistan fighting so those people would have the freedom to elect a president.

The costs were definitely not the same, but whether it's fighting for this community or for the people of Afghanistan, freedom is always worth our effort.

Without it we have nothing.
Quicksilver1 Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2010
really well thank you for every thing you did, and if I could ask with what division were you attached?
Jupit3r Featured By Owner May 19, 2005
The next one should be draped in oil.
himynameiznate Featured By Owner May 19, 2005  Hobbyist Digital Artist
That's nice. Im glad the Contrarian Manual for Lazy Thinker's is still in publication.

Maybe it needs to be updated to reflect the fact that oil prices are higher than ever, and we havent gotten ANY oil...

DeMolama Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2004   Digital Artist
Some would say it is the current administration, along with their Neocon allies and Fundamentalist Christian supporters who have no respect for America. And they would be right.
himynameiznate Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2004  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Wow, do you guys just all copy/paste from the same NuThink handbook?

Id respect you guys all a lot more if you could generate an original thought that wasnt saturated with political buzzwords like "NeoCon allies and Fundamentalist Christian supporters".

Making statements like that prove nothing other than that you let the label do the thinking.
DeMolama Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2004   Digital Artist
Shall I dumb it down for you?
I know that big words make some people uncomfortable. Sorry. I know that "conservatives" are more at home with terms like "evil-doers"
What I meant was "the President and the evil-doers who like him."
Is that better?

And referring to me as "you guys"...and then telling me I let my lables do the thinking. What a piece of hypocracy. I don't know a word for that that you'd be comfortable with...look it up.

himynameiznate Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2004  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Oh lord, and again, the typical arrogant response.

You know theres a serious problem when the arguer spends more time attacking the opponents rather than the argument.

Thanks for the comment.
DeMolama Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2004   Digital Artist
Probably wrote about 100 word response to this last message. You can use your imagination, but i will tell you true, there was no profanity. Decided it was not important.

I like the picture, honest. Like all art, the value is in the eye of the beholder, and I do like the picture, although I would guess that I take a somewhat different meaning from it than you do. It's a very powerful piece.

<;parting crack deleted, again, not important>
himynameiznate Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2004  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Can I ask you an honest question?
(forget the redundancy of that....)

Do you believe in universal moral absolutes that are true regardless of time, place, culture, etc?
DeMolama Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2004   Digital Artist
I believe that I blieve that there are things which I always find to be wrong.
I do not believe that, if a universal code of morality exists(if any idea can be said to exist), that any person knows what it is.
I am an atheist, but it's not because i do not understand religion or the religious impulse, it's just that after years of studying religion and mythology, i find them to be indistingushable except that once a culture dies out, their religion gets called mythology. All of them get significant issues right, all of them get significant issues wrong, and when you look at them broadly enough, i think they all have roughly similar ratios of wisdom to folly.
I do think that all morality is a human invention, and while morality is great, I am not sure any human concept can be said to be universal. To my mind, something that is universal, like gravity say, does not depend on an eye to behold it, so to speak. I think that morality, like art, has always been in the eye of the beholder.
Interestingly enough, the earliest objects ever discovered that can be called art, carvings and cave paintings and such, are all thought to be religious in nature.

Soooo, I guess, all things considered, the answer to your question is: No. Gravity is a universal Absolute. Morality is a concept.

himynameiznate Featured By Owner Oct 20, 2004  Hobbyist Digital Artist
"I do not believe that, if a universal code of morality exists(if any idea can be said to exist), that any person knows what it is."

"All of them get significant issues right, all of them get significant issues wrong..."

Not to be obnoxious, but dont you see the inherent contradiction in your own statements? Im not trying to attack, but to make a point.

If morality is a human invention, and one that is whimsical to the culture, then on what basis do you have gripes with the war in Iraq?

Secondly, you're still using a moral absolute to judge other moral statements. You can say that its "just what you believe to be morally true", but if its your own private definition, you have to realize that it has no basis other than your own personal likes and dislikes.

Again, Im not trying to attack, but I just want to understand how a person could say there are no moral absolutes, and that morality is a human made concept with no real weight behind it, and yet call the Iraq war immoral, unjust, and wrong.

Seems its not the Christian Fundies being too dogmatic on this one :)
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konnie-chan Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2004   Writer
Too bad most of that blood aint american
jast Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2004  Hobbyist Photographer
Thank you! :+favlove:
cjdmax Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2003
just to reverse your metaphor: "people rowing the boat rarely have time to rock it."

people rowing the boat are looking backwards and can't see where they're going ;)
himynameiznate Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2003  Hobbyist Digital Artist
2 things wrong with your reversed metaphor:

Not all rowers face back when rowing, and without knowing where you are from, you cannot really know where you are going.

cjdmax Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2003
hehe.. now it's a 3 sided metaphor :P
cjdmax Featured By Owner Dec 17, 2003
piece is well made, though your motive is crap.

+fav (it's not about the motive :P )
InYaFaceDesigns Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2003   Digital Artist
wow i came here to comment on the image (which mind you is TOTALLY AWESOME) but i couldnt help myself in reading some of the comments here. And while most have good points. the one that disturbed me was how someone said something about innocent iraqi children. OMG thats a joke. Has anyone seen the in newspapers about how these " innocent children" are taught from a very young age to become future terrorists? I mean i have in plain print how these kids walk around with gunz. They may act innocent but their roots are planted in terrorist soil. I do not believe that President Bush should have attacked the way he did. But our soldiers are out there reguardless and it is kill or be killed. How are they to know who is innocent or not. These people are sneeky and damn right CRAZY - They kill themselves and others all in the name of "god".
Im NOT fond of how the american government works but our people are over there and there is nothing we can do about it but try and stay alive. Saddam needed to be taken out - he is a danger to his own people and to other countries. Did you also happen to catcha glimpse of when he was first taken out and the people got some freedom back - how they HAILED our soldiers. War is War and their will ALWAYS be casualities..
iamtheriddler Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2003   Photographer
ok first things first. I am an American. I state here and now Americans are stupid. The government is idiodic. does anyone realize that hey who put Saddam in power originally? we did.
who put Fidel Castro in power? we did.

we are idiots that think imperialism is fun. My thoughts on the war are mixed. I hate the fact that we are in war but i support the troops fighting because currently they are fighting for all the others that have died whether they be american Iraqui or some other race.

Bush wants oil. I say lets have his. he owns an oil field down in Texas. lets have his.

now as for threatening nations lets name a few shall we? : North Korea (hello?), Russia (whether you want to believe me or not. They still have the technology to destroy us and the world), Japan (love em I really do but still technology folks), China (communisn still in power there. love em but come on people)

man people can be really ignornat some times. there are people every where that are a danger to the rest of the world. why dont we take on Korea? oh too afraid. they would win.

in Vitnam we lost. yes America, the great and powerful America lost. and ya know why? because they Vitnamese had the advantage of knowing how to fight in that type of terrain. back then americans were Harvard bastards and West Point captains. They joined the war because the Vitnamese were "bad things" communists. Fuck that.

WWII hitler =a bastard. we attacked so many people in that war. War is destined to destroy the world. we came close then and in the cold war and in every single war ever waged in history.

look in all Americans = idiots. its just something implanted in all government leaders. its the hard truth. i know that people will flame me and spam me for this. go ahead. im ready. but just remember that if there hadnt been war we ould not be free possibly not even here today.

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